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Government. until there's a government that serves the afghan people, that the afghan people can be proud of, they won't be willing to risk their lives fighting for it. we will always have to do that job for them. >> what is your sense -- having been in afghanistan so much, are the taliban necessarily and rightly part of any successor government? >> there's sort of two kinds of taliban. on the one hand, there's homegrown afghan-taliban. they're part of afghan society. i think they deserve some kind of consultation as long as it's in good faith by them. then there are the proxy forces of afghan...

Concerned about is, you know, we know exactly how many s.e.a.l.s assaulted that compound. how many s.e.a.l.s were on backup ready to come in. how they moved up the stairs. the fact they used a stealth helicopter. all these details. now the officials are saying, look, what if we've got to do this again? what if we have to go in the frontier region of pakistan and go after maybe the leader of the hakani network or another high-level figure? how are we going to do that if our technology is out there? hey, just to be fair, not to come off -- we shouldn't come off too hypocritical. look, it's me an...

joint chiefs chairmen mike mullen and defense secretary bob gates expressed strong concern for safety of the s.e.a.l.s. each of them gave a stark warning. >> from my perspective, it is time to stop talking. and we have talked far too much about this. we need to move on. it's a story that if we don't stop talking, it will never end. and it needs to. >> i'm very concerned about this. because we -- we won't to retain the capability to carry out these kinds of operations in the future. and when so much detail is available, it makes that both more difficult and riskier. now, with respect ...

>> well, let me give you an example of the hardest bin, the third bin in terms of the strategic alternatives. it has been our strategy for many years now to be able to fight two regional -- two major regional conflicts simultaneously. martha: there you have it from the pentagon, secretary gates and the joint chiefs of staff chair admiral mike mullen answering questions about who knew and who didn't know that bin laden was in pakistan. they are saying there is no evidence that the top leadership in pakistan knew bin laden was in that compound. however secretary gates modified that a bit. he say...

Mullah omar, those people killed 1500 soldiers over the course of 10 years. they're based in pakistan. following up on bin laden, if the c.i.a. set their sights on those people, i think that would go a long way towards damping down that force. >> do you think it's worth the risk to do another seallike operation if we get intelligence somewhere there? >> well, i'm guessing here but i think the hakani network and mullah omar are working in some kind of collaboration with pakistani intelligence. now that pakistani intelligence knows what we're capable of, it may be easier to coerce them into brea...