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So i don't know. he doesn't laugh very much, just because he didn't laugh doesn't mean it's not a joke but that's what happened. >> it is interesting michael with the am of times he talks about going to an ivy league school, he's smart with a high iq. >> well, don't forget the hand size, this is a guy that wants to measure everything. he thinks somehow it all can be measured and everyone one accept the results and he is proven to be the biggest brightest -- >> every rich or smart person i know don't talk about how rich and how smart they are. >> we've been doing the forbes 400 for years. in 19...

Metro among other. no juvenile mockery or self-conscious preening about hand size or what that does or doesn't imply. in fact, here's the moment from ed gillespie that may sum up the evening best. take a listen. >> look i could stand up here and i could say he's nancy pelosi and he could say i'm donald trump and we could have that debate. that's not going to get one more job created in the commonwealth of virginia. >> ah -- it helps, of course, gillespie is trying to run as far away from the president as he can a republican. looking like it, perhaps. and no guarantee as the election moves clos...

Carter pictures of his hands to prove they weren't small. and decades later when it came up during the campaign he spoke at length about his hands, even spending four minutes telling "the washington post" how he has zero issues with his hand size. >> i mean, people were writing, how are mr. trump's hands? my hands are fine. you know, my hands are normal. slightly large, actually. in fact, i buy a slightly smaller than large glove, okay? >> you chose to raise it during a debate, can you explain why you had no choice? >> yeah, because i don't want people to go around thinking that i have a probl...

Prove they weren't small. and decades later when it came up during the campaign he spoke at length about his hands, even spending four minutes telling "the washington post" how he has zero issues with his hand size. >> i mean, people were writing, how are mr. trump's hands? my hands are fine. you know, my hands are normal. slightly large, actually. in fact, i buy a slightly smaller than large glove, okay? >> you chose to raise it during a debate, can you explain why you had no choice? >> yeah, because i don't want people to go around thinking that i have a problem. i'm telling you, ruth. i had...

Know, we all know here that there was a period in our history where we really did worry about nuclear war, cuban missile crisis. whatever evils he had done with regard to hungary in 56, krush she have was sane and in the end they cut a deal and they sat down and calmly dealt with it as statesman. i don't think we've got two people like that right now, him and kim jong-un, they begin this thing like it's all personal, it's something to do with eeg oh and hand size and haircuts and weird nsz. i'm sorry. you know it's all true. >> it is all true. and what we're also dealing with are two very inse...