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Feels they should or could do that under orders from the president who put them in an incredible position. >> remember what happened after those came about there was a big argument about whether individuals in the cia could be prosecuted and a big argument about whether the president was going to protect them. and there's another element to this, there's a big debate about how useful it is in i way. >> david sanger, chief washington correspondent for the "new york times," i know it's not the easiest thing for you to be on late night cable news. thank you for being here. >> appreciate it. lot...

>> both. i think he is concerned that as the difficult as it's been for speaker boehner and the republicans to get out of the cul-de-sac that they have marked into the spending bills, that -- it's going to be very difficult to do it on the debt limit. i think that most people in washington like people on wall street think end of the day that rationality is going to prevail. and this unbelievable self-inflicted wound will not be inflicted by the congress. but i think he is a larmd enough about it. he is trying to mobilize allies. and people who hatch got the checkbooks to make an impression on ...