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oregon. and i feel, i felt, it felt a little bit more real when s.w.a.t. team came into the class and told us to put our hands on our head and rifles drawn and -- i just -- yeah. it's surreal. >> courtney renney, with us from campus, it was 16 years ago that columbine happened. >> yeah. >> so courtney would have been seven years old when america first sort of began collectively dealing with the pictures that came out of columbine. with children with their heads above, with their hands above their heads and processing something that no adult could really help them with too much. we hadn't been there, thankfully. and now again, another day with hands on heads and today, people of all ages at a community college where so many come from continuing education as an older person, maybe with kids at home. and today they're -- today in

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