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Is not merely a rigid economic conservative and a reading extremist as regards cuts down government. he's one of the more richer rigid social conservatives around. he is right there with rick santorum. so, it is, in fact, true that among conservatives, hardcore conservatives, he's a very popular figure, but folks should understand that if you look at polling not just in wisconsin, but nationally americans know who paul ryan is. they associate him with assaults on medicare, medicaid and social security. if he was chosen as a vice presidential candidate, mitt romney would be attached to that age...

Splitting the conservative vote in the republican party. jon: all right. so, karl rove, if this thing goes on and you have a, you know, three or four-way race and everybody beating up on each other, ultimately, if mitt romney gets the nomination, republicans will get behind him, aren't they? >> sure. jon: hardcore conservatives will not be voting for barack obama. >> sure. i was talking to a rather sage observer of poll tucks this morning who had interesting point to take. the conversation after this a all over between the nominee and obama about obama will be entirely different than the conve...

By this 117? >> they have bargaining power. what conservatives would like to see is mitt romney go into that convention without a first ballot majority. in which case, he has to bargain with the delegates in that cup. >> right. >> many of them will be hardcore conservatives. they're going to demand that he put conservative, tea party conservative on the ticket. that the platform read the way people and the religious rite wants it to read. they're going to extract concessions and that won't be attractive to a lot of voters. >> do you think that the choices made here will actually make it less l...

Lobby and very pleasant things to say starting with "a." [ laughter ] >> andrea: we'll be there tomorrow so i'm hour we'll meet your fans. occupy wall street there, i hope you would come be my bodyguard. >> bob: i'll be sure my friends will take care of you. >> andrea: let them know. you know straw polls. a lot of things you bring in the activist and people say they are rigged. if you think that he gets the number one slot saturday in the straw poll it will help romney? >> eric: i'd be surprised if he did. last time, protest against john mccain. he was the log call first to protest. one year, ...

Lobby and very pleasant things to say starting with "a." [ laughter ] >> andrea: we'll be there tomorrow so i'm hour we'll meet your fans. occupy wall street there, i hope you would come be my bodyguard. >> bob: i'll be sure my friends will take care of you. >> andrea: let them know. you know straw polls. a lot of things you bring in the activist and people say they are rigged. if you think that he gets the number one slot saturday in the straw poll it will help romney? >> eric: i'd be surprised if he did. last time, protest against john mccain. he was the log call first to protest. one year, ...