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His heart that there had been election fraud. he sincerely believes that and so therefore he felt he was doing nothing wrong. he's right. you have to listen to the full call. um and unfortunately funny. willis's when she was an assistant. she was a pretty hardcore prosecutor. she's become quite a political character, and i think she thinks her constituency supports this prosecution. no matter what, and i'm afraid. now there's a race to see who's going to indict president trump first. karen well, i think if you only look at that one phone call out of context, it really doesn't tell the whole pi...

Or toyed with. she came, ran the gamut and everybody needs to be afraid, especially donald trump. >> she's a tough hardcore prosecutor. i don't think trump is shaking in his boots. >> he needs to be. >> she hasn't shown any ability to be spontaneous, a lot of those attacks were preplanned and canned. wait till trump comes at her from all angles. if you look at it objectively, the flip-flopping, the apologizing. the hair sniffing. a lot of these problems have surfaced in the first two months of him announcing and then you have the first debate which he bombs. i just don't see it going up from h...

Especially donald trump. >> she's a tough hardcore prosecutor. i don't think trump is shaking in his boots. >> he needs to be.os >> she hasn't shown any ability to be spontaneous, a lot of those attacks were preplanned and canned. wait till trump comes at her from all angles. i don't understand why joe is a behind in every poll. if you look at it objectively the flip-flopping, the apologizing. the hair sniffing. a lot of these problems have surfaced in the first two months of him announcing and then you have the first debate which he bombs. i just don't see it going up boom here. >> no, i don'...

Tangental, again, this is mueller sending a message, you better tell the truth when we talk to you because it doesn't matter how important your evidence is, you have to be on the up and up or we're coming for you. this is a young lawyer. his wife is pregnant. she's based in the uk. his sentencing today, he's like, judge, give me a break. now we have a new element in those cases, the judge, because in addition to mueller, you know who else doesn't like people lying? judges. >> judges. >> so this judge said, mueller actually didn't even recommend jail time. they were silent on the that. >> is is...

Front of the grand jury in washington myself and if mr. nunberg is being an american and -- >> they added another ankle monitor to the indicted trump aid. that looks like a busy week. i'm joined by al butler, colu columnist for the hill, he writes the waters of this investigation go higher. is what are you learning that's important for those witnesses? >> for anybody who's in the orbit of the mueller investigation, the struggle is real. mueller's going in, he's a hardcore prosecutor, it's a cliche now, that he's going after these people like an organized crime family. but he is. that's part of...