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>> i think he probably took the advice of senator mcconnell, a couple of these are really lightning rods that would cause blood baths, if you will. and the safer ones are judged to be and judge hardiman. i also think that judge hardima hardiman -- i was part of that selection process, would not have been added personally by the president to the list only to be left standing at the altar yet again. >> martha: the connection with president trump's sister, who served with him on the circuit court and has been a big proponent. i guess one of the questions is going to be if he chooses hardiman, how...

President's attention in the president i think bonded with him. i don't want to jump the gun because unlike senator hatch, we don't know who the nominee is. but if it's judge barrett, she's a lightning rod on abortion. if it's judge cavanaugh, he's got some conservatives who don't like them because of some prior rulings and the involvement with ken starr and hillary clinton, that the president doesn't want to see. >> martha: if he still at the top of the list, and may be those concerns have been assuaged. >> it may very well be. senator rand paul said he would not support judge cavanaugh. with...

Social conservatives, burn down the law conservatives, executive power conservatives so i think there are real distinctions between them. and in particular between kavanagh and hardiman, the last two standing. i think kavanagh is a classic, insider's insider, known to everyone in d.c., and also a real sort of intellectual leader, has something of an agenda. hardima hardiman, by contrast, a definite outsider, both very likable, but not at all a sort of agenda driven conservative. >> liberals may be thinking, oh, this is my worst nightmare, trump getting a second pick and making it more down the...