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>> i also had a community in washington heights that had a terrible riot in 1992 and a blackout in 1999. that community went from being very high crime community to being a good community. i would ask all those politicians you saw there talking about the terrible conditions economic conditions they have been in charge of baltimore for the last 30 years. this is a democratic city -- >> since 1939. >> o'malley was the governor for eight years. if those people are suffering from economic depravation, then what the heck have they done? what has elijah cummings done for his city? what has that stat...

So that the concentration there and that's why you've got the enormous push back from the unions and others. the unions like a monopoly operated school system, it works well for the adults, guaranteed client base whether you're good, bad or the other. in harlem nobody can take those kids for granted anymore. >> parents have choice. >> some of the harlem, charter school operators tried to run into the west side of manhattan and running into enormous resistance notwithstanding the progress they had in harlem. >> people who have monopolies and a guaranteed client base don't like competition. the ...

Over that time frame. having said that, it's also clear to me that way too many kids graduate high school who are not prepared for college and far too many kids don't graduate high school. in the 21st century, kids graduated high school, what's their plan b. >> one of your strategies for reform is to put charter schools in clusters and had some success there and because then you get a kind of community that looks at it, all schools get lifted up by that kind of cluster strategy, but the critique of charters is that they never anywhere have gone up to scale. the kind of scale you need. even tho...