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Tactics when it's life or death. david, is it okay to have bad tactics? >> it's not. >> no. >> i didn't say it was okay. >> you just said that. >> don't put words in my mouth. i didn't say -- >> i wish we could run the tape back. you just said -- >> play the tape back. i didn't say it was okay. i said it happens. >> okay. >> i said it happens. >> one of the things we need to do -- >> you said it's not against the law. >> his tactic's got nothing to do with this shooting. all right? the tactics had nothing to do with him perceiving a threat. >> i disagree. >> it didn't. >> with harry because th...

With you. >> okay. i'll wait. >> sir, i have to tell you, i do have a -- >> okay. >> -- firearm -- >> don't reach for it. don't pull it out. don't pull it out. [ gunshots ] >> you just killed my boyfriend. >> i wasn't reaching. he wasn't reaching. >> my point is, it happened so fast, he didn't even give the guy time to get all of his words, out, harry. to explain what was going on. >> his hands were moving. >> are you listening to what david -- are you listening to what david is saying? >> yes. >> david is saying if the officer was trained prop herrer >> i was a police officer for 25 years. >>...

Thc. meaning he'd smoked so much marijuana that his body was completely intoxicated with it. maybe when the officer asked him not to reach, he may have been so intoxicated he didn't hear it. but the officer told him several times don't reach and what the officer could see then was that he was in danger and he had a fire shots. that's the only thing that officer could have done at that time and -- >> i disagree with harry. >> i don't even see it happening. i don't see them winning nothing at all unless the city just wants to not fight it. >> but harry the question is why in the world did it get...

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Weapon. >> i mean how do you know? >> i don't know -- >> how do you know he wasn't going forri a gun? we know now but the fact is that officer looking inside that vehicle saw the hand movement going towards what he thought was a gun and he's telling him not to go for it, then the officer fired. how can you question that? i mean, really? >> let him answer, harry. >> here's the deal. why is he so far forward? we both know in a traffic stop you're supposed to be back behind the b pillar so you put the driver at a advantage. secondly, the argument -- the argument was supposedly we believe we're de...