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I think donald trump is panicking in iowa. maybe he should be panicking. >> it was joe kennedy who raised the issue for his uncle ted. you've i got the facts straight there. i remember everything. religion out or in, you can argue all you want, but it helps to be an evangelical or conservative catholic in iowa. we know that. pat robinson almost won out there, huckabee won there. santorum. people who can't win anywhere else win in iowa. perry? >> i think trump is talking about making the wrong case here. i don't think people are for carson because of the sort of tenets seven-day adventist. they...

We have a breaking story. donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we informed ben, but he was sleeping. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was donald trump mocking the recent coverage of ben carson's ascent in iowa. three polls have shown carson with a significant lead over trump in iowa. the most recent by monmouth university has carson ahead. trump has been slamming carson on the campaign trail. in a rally saturday, he raised questions about ben carson's

The large number of american christians are baptist, evangelical. they are the vast majority of the christian community in this country. yet somebody like trump would get it wrong and say i'm from a broadly popular religion like presbyterian. he got his numbers wrong. there are a lot more baptists. >> for the people he is trying to appeal to like the iowa conservatives, he is trying to take from ben carson, there is not a lot of presbyterian. a lot will go to nondenominational churches which carson goes to. carson is touched with the home school in a way huckabee was. he has a real appeal. cru...

Their faith. carson talks about his faith all the time. he is very devout. in that way he is in the same huckabee and santorum bucket. trump you can tell is not someone who spends time thinking about religion until this campaign. i think it is a mistake to go after trump. he is not going to win the campaign. >> it's not the affiliation but the devoutness, the fidelity, whether you are a man of faith. sabrina, is that your thinking it helps to be something in iowa? >> absolutely. what it helps to be is socially conservative. ben carson has proven whether it's abortion or same-sex marriage that ...