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Fencing but new construction has not begun and will not be this year. >> he has prototypes being done, let's test and see how we can build a piece of wall but it's a toy version of a wall. i think that he is trying to just see what sticks and if someone believes him, he sees it as a winner. there, in donald trump's mind, it seems no downside to telling lies. there's no downside to saying he built a wall that he hasn't built or that he gave people a pay raise that he hasn't given them. people will look at their paychecks and know what's there and what isn't. >> the people he was talking to know...

Out of the department, it's essentially saying the department of justice can't do justice, and that's not a healthy think -- let's put this issue aside, institution ali, it's a bad idea, it's why the independent council statute was not renewed. the special council regulations envision a conflict with the department so so veer that not only is the attorney general recused, but the department of justice itself is not capable of conducting a fair and independent investigation. and that's not a good idea. >> john, you take umbrage to that, i can tell. >> the justice department as we now have it is...

Independent council statute was not renewed. the special council regulations envision a conflict with the department so so veer that not only is the attorney general recused, but the department of justice itself is not capable of conducting a fair and independent investigation. and that's not a good idea. >> john, you take umbrage to that, i can tell. >> yes. umbrage might be strong. but i disagree. the justice department as we now have it is headed by a person who lied to the senate who promised them an explanation, he hasn't given them, who wouldn't even talk to the press today, when they we...