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You will get all the subsidies out. and you will get $338 billion. however, the people who will be affected by withdrawing the mandate, young people, healthy people, high earners, they're all good. but the same people that the party and the president has promised to protect will be in that 10% premium rise. will be in that 13 million people who lose care. so on balance do you win the votes of the republicans to get it passed, but do you lose voters who get affected by it adversely? >> this goes to health care policy. the hating obamacare aspect that can rally some of the base in a culture war ...

Seen a lot of bankruptcies and bad nonpayments because people can't afford health care go tremendously down as a result of bow 'bama care. people are better off financially with health insurance because if they get sick they don't go into bankruptcy. and the bad debt for hospitals also has gone down, allowing them to reduce premiums -- reduce what they charge for other people. and i would finally say, let's remember the politics here. you know, people in maine said we're going to -- by 20 percentage points, a blue state, we will expand medicaid because everybody should get insurance. in virgin...

White house in helping guide them with economic policy if i'm not mistaken. here's the criticism and the concern. 13 million people lose their health insurance. so corporations can have tax cuts. so how do you square that? >> well, a couple of things. you left out a couple of things that are important. the people who pay this tax, this mandated tax under obamacare, the vast majority make less than $50,000 a year. many of them make less than 30,000 or 40,000 a year. it is an extremely regressive tax on poor people. those are the people who can't afford the mandate or the insurance. when you say...

Obamacare has been an article of faith among most republicans. the problem is this was originally a conservative proposal. and it will hurt some people. but there's always been a bet that those folks won't blame republicans for this. that, you know, you can distract them with a culture war issue. but especially the president's instincts to make this about the middleclass has to come with a sense of responsibilities to those folks, not just making the substance match the style but the impact doesn't hurt people. >> if fewer people have health care, that's going to hurt. the system will be hurt....

The individual mandate to modestly reduce income tax rates for middle-income taxpayers and boost the child tax credit from $1,650 to $2,000. a priority for president trump's daughter ivanka. the president urged lawmakers to end the mandate on twitter monday. senator john mccain, who cast a dramatic vote, killing the last effort to repeal and replace obama care, signaling he's leaning towards supporting the bill. but murkowski and collins, who others who voted against the gop health care plan, indicating they're not sold on the idea. collins saying, i personally think that it complicates tax re...