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And it's so interesting that the johnson government is saying that about women. they've just introduced — they're just in the process of introducing a new crime concerning the theft of dogs. and the theft of dogs is going to be introduced on the basis that... we have theft legislation. you can prosecute somebody who steals a dog as much as stealing your watch. however, they feel that this is very important because during lockdown, lots of people became very attached to dogs and...and they pay a lot of money for dogs, so they're very valuable now. and so they're saying, there should be a spec...

Symbolic about saying, "these behaviours "are what are accepted in society and these are not." and that's what the law does — it sets the bar on certain kinds of behaviour. so you have to have law that is protective of women and which is basically pointing the finger at those who. .. well, where are the limits of what the law can actually achieve? and i ask that advisedly, because you now head up a scottish government working, sort of, reporting committee that's about to publish a report on the possibility of making misogyny a hate crime. now, this is particular to scotland, but i dare say p...

Politician, victoria atkins. she said we should be very careful about creating laws that inadvertently conflict with the basic principle of equality. she said, if we're to have a hate crime in relation to gender, we need to think very carefully about whether that would apply to the entire population orjust to the half of it that is female, �*cause, ultimately, she says, remember, women are not a minority and shouldn�*t be treated as such. that... but she�*s really, really falling down that great well, that even women who are trained in the law can fall down, which is, you know, we argued...

And it's so interesting that the johnson government is saying that about women. they've just introduced, they're just in the process of introducing a new crime concerning the theft of dogs. and the theft of dogs is going to be introduced on the basis that... we have theft legislation. you can prosecute somebody who steals a dog as much as stealing your watch. however, they feel that this is very important because during lockdown, lots of people became very attached to dogs and...and they pay a lot of money for dogs, so they're very valuable now. and so they're saying, there should be a special...

Think that things are quite acceptable. we've normalised a lot of behaviours and that's one of the things that women in this country are now really being very vocal about. it used to be that you didn't talk about it, the stuff that happens at the bus stop where, you know, somebody comes, tries to chat a young woman up. she expresses no interest and then offence is taken by the man, and then it starts turning ugly and the woman is afraid, and she's afraid because little girls in all of our societies are told from as soon as they reach puberty, "you must watch yourself. you've got to guard yours...