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office, and it just took us long to get there. i remember saying on our air, in 2018, when justice kennedy retired, that one of the consequences of that would be that abortion would be illegal in half the country within two years. and i was wrong, it was four years. but the fact that this is foretold doesn't make it any less shocking. >> i'm gonna go watch your show now. >> thanks, chris. good to see you, my friend. thank you. >> and thanks to you at home for being with us this hour. it's a big day. when the supreme court first handed to overturn the decision in roe, just shy of 50 y...

wasn't as constitutional then today might make you think. for example, it was not a particularly controversial decision among american evangelicals. the southern baptist convection, they adopted pro abortion resolutions regularly during the 1970s and the december baptist. when roe was handed down, the southern baptist convention welcomed and explained why. he said i felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person and always been for seem to me that when it is best for the mother in the future it should be allowe...

regularly during the 1970s, including after the roe decision in 1973, the southern bout this. when roe was handed down in 73, though, the former president of the southern baptist convention welcomed it and explained why. he said, quote, i was about that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person. it is always there for seem to me what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed. southern path this convention. reaction to roe v. wade, we are also really heterogeneous for a long time between two politic...

About that is from justices alito. women, the lives they've lived, the anxiety, out triggering it is for all of us who have miscarried, to be thinking again, holy cow, this could have been me a few years ago. it is horrifying and it is invisible, in the majority opinion. i think the court not only got out of step, deeply out of step, with public opinion -- by the way, not just on this, but on the gun's case yesterday, where by similar margins, americans hate this outcome. but i think that the utter lack of solicitude for the reality of the trauma that is being imposed, both by mass shootings y...

Court defying public opinion in this case? obviously, they are not governed by public opinion and they don't have to care. but the american people, by a 2 to 1 margin, thought that roe should be upheld. and there's a lot of anger in response that is going to have a lot of effects on peoples lives, and its effects on peoples lives. what do we look for in terms of the court being sustained as an institution in the wake of this? >> it's so telling, rachel, that everything that amy said and that and said in that congresswoman lee said about life experience in this reign of terror, what it's like t...