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There was a five-day trial. there were 15 witnesses. there were thousands of pages of documents. there were hours of video. there was extensive argument from top lawyers on all sides. there was a great deal of process. and this idea of not having a conviction is really a red herring. over 150 years courts have on eight occasions, most of them after the civil war but one of them last year, held people disqualified under the 14th amendment. not a single one was convicted of or even charged with insurrection. it's a separate thing. this is a qualification. it's not a criminal punishment. it has a...

Asylum claims are going to be rejected, so it's got to be a better way that we can do this work at the very beginning instead of giving a false hope, a false promise to people that will be here four, five, six years, go in front of an imgriegs judge and then be told your asylum claim is rejected. >> not to mention the date that many people have to even go before an immigration judge can be years away, some as late or as early as 2027. just for example. and you mentioned the economy and the impact it would take on it if there was a border closure. i mean, eagle pass, el paso according to axios ...

Point that you're making. i'm not discounting the importance of the border. >> congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez was there back in 2019. donald trump visiting the border multiple times when he was president. and remember once even signing a portion of his beloved wall with a sharpie. and remember, then first lady melania trump's visit to texas when she was wearing that "i really don't care, do you" jacket. and we can't forget rick perry and sean hannity and ron desantis and ted cruz. we've seen a lot of this before. photo ops at the border. but is it all nothing but some kind of political...

Now, team trump says, one, he's not an insurrectionist. they say what happened at the capitol on january 6th, the crowds breaking into the capitol, forcing lawmakers to literally run for their lives, threatening to hang the vice president of the united states, wasn't even an insurrection. quote, the colorado supreme court erred in how it described president trump's role in the events of january 6th, 2021. it was not insurrection and president trump in no way engaged in insurrection. >> we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore. >> i'll let ...

Running mate? i know who the democratic side will be but i have to process the rest of that this evening. marcus, back to you, though, on this point. these are states that run these elections. the supreme court's going to have to make some statement at some point if they want to resolve it. otherwise, it will have to be a very fulsome response or 49 other states are going to be lining up to figure out what is going to happen in theirs. that's just not sustainable. do you think the supreme court will, one, take up this issue? and two, do you think that they are going to lean towards finding tha...