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This is how he's lived his entire life. and a lot of people supporters, republicans thought well, when he becomes president, hays rr going to grow in office and he'll be a changed man. he's changed the presidency. the presidency hasn't changed him. and when we have these discussions about ethics, i'm telling you he doesn't understand it. it is a foreign language to him. it's like trying toing describe culler to a person color blind. i think these rr genuinely baffled andf ocourse we would take dirt from a foreign country. everybody would. and then it takes a day or two for people to say that's...

Joe biden's about face he's a national co chairman off the biden campaign. thank you so much. before we get into this,ia were defending biden wednesday night with my colleague, chris cuomo. >> he is a deeply relujs man and hays rr guided by his faith and his position on the hide amendment has been consistent. >> barely 24 hours after that, you said biden announcing that he is changing his position. so what happened? >> well, also on that episode talking to chris i reaffirmed that he's a strong supporter off

He's sawing the president's argument he couldn't be guilty of obstruction is false. and hays rr not backing down. >> no, he's not. he has a pretty long history as manu just laid out of being against the leadership of his own party. he was one of the chief antagonists of john boehner when john boehner was speaker of the house. really helped, along with mark meadows and some of thesegues that have become pro-trump, helped push boehner out of the party. he tortured paul ryan when paul ryan was speaker of the house. and he's never been a fan of donald trump. he's a little bit like ron paul. rememb...