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28. he's not his dad. not his grampa. as a kid, very humble. very strong, as a man. very strong. but he don't want war. he's a great guy. just a great guy. if you sit down and talk to him, he want obama to do one thing -- call him. guess what, what i did, what i did, was history. >> yes, it was. rodman is said to be the only american to have met mr. kim. that's no laughing matter. but as for a phone call from the president, all right, that's not going to happen. white house press secretary jay carney would only say north korea is wasting its time and money. >> north korea ought to be focusing on its own citizens and opportunities to improve their lives. and the united states has channels of communications directly with them. those are the channels we choose to employ. >> is the basketball star making more headway with kim jong-un than the united states? ben, is there a lesson to be