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Presidents. we've done everything to bribe him, cajole him, talk to him, and he has decided this relationship in his interest. it's probably in his interest because it gives him someone to blame for the weak economy and the problems he has. i think biden is smart. i think he understands he's not going to change his behavior, but nevertheless, he has to be very clear about these issues so he can make it clear where the united states stands and what consequences there will be going forward. >> so on that front, should there be more consequences? you're both talking about why words matter. biden'...

As we know, president putin is not looking for stability, he seeksinstability, and he's unpredictable. invading his neighbor, unpredictable. what both president biden and jake sullivan and others have said, if president putin is not willing to have a stable, predictable relationship, then there will be consequences, and again, he has put his money where his mouth is. he has put sanctions on president putin for the actions that the russians took against our elections, against navalny and other things. and against invading ukraine. so that will continue. >> both of you, thank you so very much. i...