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>> if there is evidence out there that is going to make it difficult for you to continue to assert there was no collusion f. there was no evidence out there i don't think we would see the shift in strategy. what it tells me is there is something that rudy giuliani has seen that made him decide that a shift is important. it's quite a shift. we have been hearing no collusion quite a bit. now we are hearing collusion is not a crime. technically speaking that's correct in the sense that there is no word collusion that you will signed find u.s. code. but there are plenty of crimes that involve coop...

There's no collusion, but clearly obstruction of justice, this entire memo is geared toward fighting against that. >> that's really important to point out. i think a lot of people across the country are hearing collusion, collusion, there's no collusion, but mueller is looking at other things after the election, which is not about collusion, it's about the president's actions and why he fired comey, things that happened with michael flynn. things that have nothing to do with collusion and doesn't let the president off the hook. this is something to clint's point, the timing is ironic. he says ...

You you're saying i'm tired of hearing collusion. >> i'm going to be your media coach. you do that to me all the time. >> we have heard nothing from bob mueller. we have no idea what he knows. it's been nothing but partisan back biting. the yours truly of what we heard enough about collusion, there's no proof of collusion. that's all b.s. we don't know anything. the questions are out there. the conclusions will come. the timing of this report to say it's distraction, there's no basis for that, sounds like the suggestions about the fbi that president and others are saying it's not trustworthy o...

President's speech tomorrow. and all the great things he's doing here in terms of laying the ground work. distracting from the business leaders meetings he had today. the meeting with the prime minister of the united kingdom and israel. and we're distracting from the speech he'll give at 2:00 p.m. today. >> you think any of that -- you think of that matters nearly as much as efforts. >> he's had the story for a year. where's the collusion evidence and the story? >> over talking is not being compelling. different things. you are saying i'm tired of hearing collusion. we have lemarned nothing. y...

This is what i think is emanating from the hearing. >> those steps weren't taken. as we just pointed out, we knew this stuff in 2015. why wasn't anything done? >> because this collusion happened in this 2016 election. >> eric: you keep saying collusion, sir. what are you talking about? you heard the director of national intelligence say we have no evidence of collusion. >> the collusion is that they are coming forward with going into our state election system, our federal election system. >> eric: there is no proof of it. you are making a claim on national television. >> eboni: i think you are...