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Campaign on trump but zero in on the excesses of the left. >> i guess two questions here, kirsten. is it fair and is it working? >> say that again? >> is it fair? is it fair, is the criticism fair of the left part of the democratic party, a, and b, is it working? those are two different questions. >> yeah. i don't know. no, i honestly don't think the criticism is really very accurate. i think that it's sort of this -- i do think it is -- what happens is you have the right and they run with these issues. it's like this attack they're doing on critical race theory that is untethered from reality...

>> it is a big deal. one way to lead into the holidays. we're learning what the president is doing with all of this. outwardly we're hearing things. behind the scenes there is a lot of work going on. >> there's a lot of work going on ahead of this senate trial. which is a totally different process. and i think a lot of folks don't realize just how different that's going to be. the white house sees it as an opportunity to call a bunch of witnesses they think can bolster their case. there has to be a vote a approve those witnesses. so far as i understand it, there are not 51 votes there to appro...

There. there was a lot of testimony and evidence. but remember one important thing, which is, you know, they are saying that the white house, the president are not -- is not cooperating, not providing documents and witnesses, allowing them to come forward. they're just going to use that as the president as an article saying they obstructed their investigation so they're saying we have enough and whatever we don't have, whatever we didn't get, we can use that against him. but it'll be interesting as things trickle out sort of what are they expecting to do as more information comes out. and i th...

Restaurant overseas, a very short phone call with the president of the united states. it's hearsay upon hearsay upon hearsay. he is hearing things. sondland testified about that. what did sondland say ultimately? sondland said the president said i don't want anything. there is no quid pro quo. what does our president want? he wants to fight corruption not only here but abroad. before we release money to the ukraine, did you know we have to certify it is not going for corruption. >> sandra: what was rudy giuliani's involvement there? we heard one of the witnesses yesterday say that sondland, am...

Ambassador to the ukraine? was she a problem? >> i heard very bad things about her. i don't know if i recalled her or somebody recalled her but i heard very bad, bad things about her for a long period of time. not good. >> greg, what we're learning from her statement, from what she's saying about rudy giuliani and his sort of campaign to get her out, when trump says he heard very bad things, are we to assume he heard that from rudy giuliani? >> yeah, i think that's obvious. he's hearing things from rudy giuliani and rudy giuliani is a conduit for things he's hearing from officials or former of...