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>> in this impeachment hearing today where we impeach presidents for treason or bribery or other high crimes where is the impeachable offense in that college are either of you here to assert there was an impeachable offense in that call? >> cricket started chirping. >> there is silence. eventually taylor says i'm not here to make a determination, that is your job but that is the bottom line question. it is not even the hearsay stuff, whether they heard this or whatever. it is, is it impeachable and can you get the american public to put pressure on republicans especially in the senate if the h...

Assert there was an impeachable offense and that call? >> shannon: and that's where the crickets are chirping. >> the cricket start tripping and their silence and eventually taylor comes through the microphone and says, i'm not here to make a determination, that's your job. but that is the bottom line question. it's not that hearsay stuff or where they heard this or whatever, it's really, is it impeachable? and can you get the american public to put pressure on republicans especially in the senate if thou's moves forward with impeachment? >> shannon: because there are questions now about wheth...

That should play a role as we look to his confirmation. >> well, what should play a role is his complete record. his complete military history. his personnel file. starting from the time he entered the united states navy, certainly to his service in iraq, supporting the united states marine corps. and then his, obviously his duties in the white house. what's probably more relevant is his military career before the white house, in the united states navy. and so, i know there is a lot of hearsay stuff going on. but, let me tell you what is most significant is what he will do as the v.a. chairman...

>> geraldo: what about the hearsay stuff, are you worry because he was convicted largely on the hearsay evidence and on so-called drew's law, kathleen's law, the hearsay law passed by the state of illinois. do you worry that an appellate court will reverse the conviction? >> i do not and i say that because, one, drew's law basically is not in existences any more. at the time i ruled drew's law was a valid law and i ruled under that law. after that the illinois supreme court adopted the common law forfeiture by wrong doing and put it into the rules of the court. basically say if the rules of th...