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February right after the mid terms in early 2015. i don't buy that. i think democrats across the country, liberals across the country, they want a fighter. and they want to get in this fight. joining me our response panel, zerlina maxwell of the grillo.com and talk and media consultant with us, holland, it's a statement that's old and outdated, it's called out of the box. i'm going to use the term "unconventional." if hillary clinton isn't going complete to running, why wouldn't joe biden throw his hat in the ring early on to mix it up and to let the democrats know where he is? >> first things...

>> emphasis on the heavy, i got it. >> their words, not mine. as to your point on the timeline, the 2016 ious are being written in 2014. you made a point about the checks being written. what we found out this week in that special election in florida is that the name of the tune is do, re, mi. so it would be very smart of the vice president to get out there. and i'm sure they'll want him. the guy lights up a room, notwithstanding the caricature that talk radio has painted for him. just like jerry ford was caricatured as clumsy because the camera never blinks, there's a bit of a joe biden bloope...