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Jamie metzel, advisor to the w.h.o., world health organization. he's been pressing for answers on covid's origins. also a former national security official. good to see you, sir. >> hey, chris. >> right move for biden to close down the trump probe? >> no, obviously. i listened to your intro, chris. we need to -- i'm a democrat, i'm a progressive. as you said, i've been on this case from very early on. we're going to get stuck in the he said/she said. definitely both parties made mistakes. we can go back and have a lot of things maybe both parties aren't proud of. right now we can agree that th...

Client like trump in a case like this if he gets indicted and if it goes that far. i also think he believes in his heart of hearts that legal counsel is almost a last resort for him. the first thing he'll do is take his case to the streets. we saw him do this with the mueller probe. we saw him do it with two impeachments. he is more than happy to try to burn the house down and attack institutions and the bona fides of people trying to hold him to account if it saves his own skin. >> the grand jury is a secret proceeding. what would you put it at right now, more likely or less likely he gets in...

Pull the right wing in because they're on the hook, they're saying they're concerned about all this street violence. pull the progressives in because we're concerned about the mass shootings. is there anything that could actually bring us together? for instance, i think what may be happening here is a mental health implosion coming out of all these covid deaths that have been, frankly, ungrieved, all the disruption that happened to us through the lockdowns and everything else. there's something happening here that we are not talking about as americans. but both sides are acknowledging too many...

Good to see you, brother. >> hi, christopher. >> let's go through the three things that trump should worry about here. number one, prison. why? >> well, because this is the first time in his 74 years, about to be 75 years, that he's been looking at the possibility of a criminal indictment and criminal charges and an orange jumpsuit. that is new in his world. he has nine lives. he has escaped rigorous investigations and two impeachments before. but this is a very -- this is an order of magnitude different than anything he's encountered before. >> and also in the last two trials, they were polit...

That we need and that's why it's so significant that president biden now is calling for the kind of action that's required. >> now, you had pompeo at the time saying he had seen clear and convincing proof that it was in the lab. where is the proof? you have the same intel people now. they just said redouble their efforts. don't they already have the proof that pompeo said that he saw? and secondly, if china doesn't want to comply, isn't this a dead letter? >> so when we go back and listen to exactly what pompeo said, there's always a little word that i believe. nobody at least in our governmen...