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Joining us now, josh fox. you did a brilliant job setting that up and it's a laughing matter when you have that tape. let's say i didn't have it. >> that's the great question. if you didn't have that tape, the one little bit that they showed sounded like, sure, mysterious saudi oil tycoon. bring it on. >> this is the case. why did i record this? i recorded this because it looked shady. it looked like a scam. it looked like entrapment. there was a website attached. there were fake identities. there was an entire web of deception that they spun to tell this tale. >> tell me how this happened. >>...

Let's say i didn't have it. >> that's the great question. if you didn't have that tape, the one little bit that they showed sounded like, sure, mysterious saudi oil tycoon. bring it on. >> this is the case. why did i record this? i recorded this because it looked shady. it looked like a scam. it looked like entrapment. there was a website attached. there were fake identities. there was an entire web of deception that they spun to tell this tale. >> tell me how this happened. >> they started sending me e-mails in september. they sent us 30 or 40 e-mails. we have money for you. we have millions ...

Just think if you go back to the intent of the founders and all of the periods since, it's much more nuance than that. >> in the dissent, there's a case made that there was tons of regulation and tons of understanding of the second amendment that it wasn't an individual right. >> that's right. to me i think we can't imagine we can go back in a time machine and ask james madison how should we deal with issues of guns or much else in the country these days? we have to consider the original intent absolutely but also how is the country evolved? they didn't have assault weapons. they didn't have c...

Idea that you have to go back to the intent of the founders and i just think if you go back to the intent of the founders and all of the periods since, it's much more nuance than that. >> in the dissent, there's a case made that there was tons of regulation and tons of understanding of the second amendment that it wasn't an individual right. >> that's right. to me i think we can't imagine we can go back in a time machine and ask james madison how should we deal with issues of guns or much else in the country these days? we have to consider the original intent absolutely but also how is the cou...

Front, a divisive issue here, but he basically said we need to amend the constitution just to reclarify what everyone already knows, which is that gun rights were about militias, not people walking around with the right to bear any kind of weapon anywhere they go. >> yeah. he was very, very clear about that, ari. he sort of wants to reinsert the militia clause that is understood or certainly was understood until the heller case. >> yeah, forever. >> and just was really very clear in saying look, folks are afraid the federal government would disarm state militias, that was the animating fear, a...