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It's hard to say that there are limits to this, but there are. and, in fact, the nra right now is convulsed by a lot of the internal problems. but if republicans will actually read the 208th supreme court decision in the heller case, striking down a district of columbia's severe law that says you can only have a handgun for personal defense if it was dismantled and locked up and therefore was no good for personal defense. there is nothing in the heller decision rightly and sensibly read which i think the supreme court would do that would prevent the supreme court from affirming laws that would...

But what is the prospect for change with half the country either reading, as george will said, the heller decision on guns or staying silent in the face of white extremism, domestic terror. how far can we get with half the country walking around like zombies? >> it's a difficult question to answer. i think what we have to do is to get about the business of building a better world. not so much focusing our energy and attention in trying to convince people to hold different sorts of commitments, but to build a better world where they have to choose. so it seems to me, for example, i'm from missi...

You can only have a handgun for personal defense if it was dismantled and locked up and therefore was no good for personal defense. there is nothing in the heller decision rightly and i think th supreme court would do that would prevent the supreme court from affirming laws that would for example restrict certainly drums that are equipped a weapon to fire 100 bullets in less than 100 seconds or automatic rifles of the sort that we're talking about. so the excuse that the supreme court has spoken and settled this is no excuse at all. >> you speak from the heart. you get to the deep roots of eve...

History books. >> there is a lot of moral tension. i mean, there are senators, republican senators like ben sass or marco rubio who used to be very critical of president trump. then they saw what happened to other people in the party that were critical of donald trump. they retired, got washed out of office, 4r069 their primaries. people like them have gone quiet about it. big picture wise, 2020 election, we're going to see the stark est contrast, sharp est contrast between republicans and democrats on the issue of gun control where both parties want to run on this. republicans pro second amen...

Can be damped down. and the second amendment is put out by the gun lobby as absolutism. you can't do anything about it. the heller decision, there can be more restrictions. we can't let the constitution be a suicide pact for us. it has to work for all of us. but these haters are strong, they're on encrypted message boards, they're on these 4 chan and 8chan. they get energy from this. they're celebrating this tonight. it's nothing new. it's just that they're all interconnected. that's the danger. >> they're all interconnected. jim, stand by. ken dilanian reporting that a law enforcement officia...