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Key actor here, they say what they're doing is helping people to stay current. they're helping prevent recidivism. they're playing a role in the post jail support network that the courts would be paying if they had the money. is there a reason to believe they're effective? >> that's the first time i have heard the phrase post jail support network. no, it really doesn't help. it doesn't help somebody on a path to reentry. the more you have to do to get back to a normal state, the worse it is. for instance, if you can't pay a fine, a lot of states will keep you from having a driver's license. yo...

But it's the same cage. >> but the probation company, they say -- because they're a key actor here, they say what they're doing is helping people to stay current. they're helping prevent recidivism. they're playing a role in the post-jail support network that the courts would be paying if they had the money. is there a reason to believe they're effective? >> that's the first time i have hear the phrase post-jail support network. no, it really doesn't help. it doesn't help somebody on a path to re-entry. it's actually a barrier to re-entry. the more you have to do to get back to a normal state,...

To stay current. they're helping prevent recidivism. they're playing a role in the post jail support network that the courts would be paying if they had the money. is there a reason to believe they're effective? >> that's the first time i have heard the phrase post jail support network. no, it really doesn't help. it doesn't help somebody on a path to reentry. the more you have to do to get back to a normal state, the worse it is. for instance, if you can't pay a fine, a lot of states will keep you from having a driver's license. you can't drive to work if you don't have a car so you can't pay...

lagos. what do you know about the casualties, how this crash happened? >> reporter: hey, fred. right now, we are being told that there are no survivors from this crash. it happened at approximately a little after 3:00 p.m. local time here in nigeria. we were just down at the scene. what we saw was a fairly chaotic scene. we saw just hundreds of people surrounding the crash area. we could see the flames from the crash, that was sort of not even 50 yards away from where we were. and just tons of people surrounding the crash scene. most of them rubber necking, taking photographs. we did...

Has owned disaster masters, a full service crisis management business he now runs with his wife melissa. among other services disaster masters offers assistance with severely cluttered homes. >> we know that we can help those people. >> ron and i are both project managers. we go in and help people that are living in unsafe and unhappy and unhealthy conditions. >> but according to ron, disaster masters services are only available to those who make the call themselves, to take their own first step toward recovery from excessive hoarding. >> the first question i ask them is are you calling for yo...