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For the rest on the stage and certainly get them a headline, whether it makes progress with the voters, i don't know. >> we have seen from people like rick perry, you can go after donald trump on the massive flip flops whether it's health care, whether it be abortion. there's ample ammo there. i want to talk about the rise of trump corelates with 2012. we had the rise of herrmann cane, rick perry. as we can show you right here. at what point do you think that donald trump perhaps flames out? because we have seen it before. >> well, what happened with herrmann cane was among other things 999. r...

Stayer. >> and that's a challenge for donald trump. he's playing the short game very well. can he move into the long game here? and, you know the fact is people want a fighter. he is -- he appears to be a fighter. he doesn't play by the rules of washington, d.c. and i think a lot of people in the party, like the rough and tumble of that. >> yeah. and to mark's point, he's not a sarah palin. he's not a herrmann cane. he's been around a long time. he as accomplishments and notoriety. >> and in 15 people in a huge field, the big field. >> it took a while for, i think, some who talk about politics...

boehner's plan has now checked harry reed's. today those same bean counters are saying, yep, reed's numbers are wrong as well. but they also say that when it's all said and done, reed's deficit cutting trumps boehner's by, listen to this, more a trillion dollars. reed's plan, ten years, $2.2 trillion in net debt reduction. meantime boehner's plan $850 billion. again, six days until default. so what about the white house here? no debt meetings, not today, at least not publicly on the president's schedule. so let's go to washington, to jane small she's a congressional correspondent of ...