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Thanks for joining us. from politico. some people thinking this is a good pick, some thinking maybe not such a good pick. what are the arguments on both sides? >> i won't argue that this pick is more of a risk than a reward. look at statements coming out from republicans. they're all glowing but all general. it's that paul ryan is bold, he's courageous, but then they stop short of endorsing the details, sort of the bread and butter of why he was even picked in the first place. look, without the ryan plan, paul ryan probably isn't picked at all, but if you get into the details of the ryan plan,...

>> no, sorry. he said that paul worships the ground that paul ryan walks on. would paul ryan possibly be your running mate? >> paul ryan would be on everybody's list of leadership for the next generation for this kunlt. he's bright, he's smart, he's courageous. we have a wonderful next group of people coming up to lead the country. as to dick cheney, he's great, too. >> medicare has been the word of the week. there's been a lot of talk of it. i just returned from the new york's congressional district where the democrat beat the republican and that was a major focus of this contest. are you con...

Every night "keeping them honest," he's courageous. but when tavis smiley suggests holding the president accountable then all of a sudden i'm labeled an obama critic. that argument is specious, number one, and quite frankly has some racist undertones to it. >> it has been a criticism of the congressional black caucus that the president has not focused on issues that are important to african-americans, professor west, dr. west. and some people took him to task. robert gibbs defended him just a couple weeks ago, saying that the president was a member of the congressional black caucus and that he...

When black leaders start saying that, then what role are they playing? if they're not fighting for the best interests of black people. no matter who the president is. so this is not about the president. it's about the presidency. how do you get the white house to take note of the suffering of your people and get them to address that? >> you talked about black leaders. and i'm just read something quotes. al sharpton, the reverend al sharpton says, "tavis smiley is an outright liar and a hater and a a clinton water boy." how do you respond to things like that? >> well, i really don't, quite fran...