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Exactly is going on, not just with mueller but also with the southern district of new york. >> let me throw this out there. he sort of surprised us by answering questions we thought he wasn't going to answer about conversations or non-conversations with the president. it seems to me that maybe this was preapproved, that he could answer that because it works, right? >> because it's a negative. >> right, it is a negative. and i believe he wouldn't have done that unless it was arranged that, oh, yeah, it's okay for you to say that you haven't talked to the president about this. we know the presid...

Definitely not saying what he has said, what conversations -- what kind of advice or any kind of conversations he's had with people in the white house, for instance. he's made sure that he stayed within those lines. so even though he's a bit sloppy, i think that's the line he's trying to observe. >> what i was trying to say is he sort of signed himself up, though, by saying he hasn't spoken to the president about the mueller probe, because then, inevitably, the question will be what about the sdny probe, which he hasn't answered yet. then he could say, yes, he did talk to him about the sdny in...

Trump had even with people like me that were adversarial from a civil rights point of view. >> there's talk that michael cohen could not cooperate with the southern district considering he considering he got 3 1/2 years in jail today because he doesn't want to spend that time there. considering what you know of him and the fact you've known the president for so long as you have and dealt with michael cohen, do you think he could actually do that now? >> i think he could. >> would he? >> i think that given his concern about his family it's very possible. i mean, you can't predict what someone w...

Effect of pushing them more toward the democrats or ultimately demobilizing them and keeping them from voting. so it's going to be interesting to see his gamble on immigration and going so hard on doubling down on the anxiety of immigration. >> i think it's important to note when he talks about immigration, he's not talking about the context of policy. he is talking about it in fear mongering, in creating anxiety to scare americans to the polls. let me just put this out there for you for a moment. the president, when you look at the map of where he's been campaigning, where he's going, he's pl...

Sure working families get a fair shake is on the ballot. but maybe most of all, the character of our country is on the ballot. >> president trump packing in seven rallies in the next three days and next hour, he'll be speaking at a rally in montana where democratic senator jon tester is in danger of losing his seat to republican matt rosendale. senior cnn white house corresponde correspondent jeff zeleny. where the president will be, you'd think this was a presidential kaechlicampaigningf race but this is really unique. >> reporter: no question, where he's going, a lot of states that trump won...