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Least voices i've heard even some generals have expressed some reservations that this is a good idea. so hopefully there is still time to talk putin out of it, whether it comes from the negotiating process by the europeans and the united states or from internally in russia. >> got about 30 seconds left, colonel. emmanuel macron, helping or hurting in his five-hour discussion with putin today? >> well, john, he's trying to help. but of course there's always the risk that he's going to increase the fissures that putin could exploit. so far it's that he's helping, but there's a great danger that ...

So, hopefully there is still time to talk putin out of it, whether it comes from the negotiating process by the europeans and the united states or from internally in russia. >> got about 30 seconds left, colonel. emmanuel macron, helping or hurting in his five-hour discussion with putin today? >> well, john, he's trying to help. but of course there's always the risk that he's going to increase the fissures that putin could exploit. so far it's that he's helping, but there's a great danger that it could hurt nato's interest at this point. >> thank you both very much for being with us tonight. >...