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>> shannon, the president himself tweeted his real had a massive impact on voting and they did win the other statewide seats. having said that, for example, i spent time, i spent a weekend in virginia and i can tell you that donald trump came up a lot, came up a lot in the suburbs, came up a lot with women, came up a lot when the discussions were about the e.r.a. what's your take on what you saw? >> i was at that kentucky rally that the president had. it's interesting, one of the things i heard from a lot of the people in the crowd was a real dislike personally for matt bevin. he went over the...

That he and his words have put him in? >> look, i think there's a saying that when a person shows you who you are, you should believe them. joe biden for his entire career has been really against the grass roots base activists of the democratic party and time and time again activists are right. our progressive movement is right, whether that's with anita hill deregulating wall street, being on the side of credit card companies, the 1994 crime bill and i think now his most recent comments. this is a continued theme for vice president biden, as the front-runner, someone i think should be chartin...

There is a political calculation, is to soften the idea of pardon. that if he needed to do this, well it would only be because this group of democrats, again not true, but angry democrats found that he had done things. so to sort of float the idea to his political base. that said, i just don't -- sure some people in the base would say, he's only pardoning himself because this is a witch hunt but i don't think that even all of his base who would agree with that. >> and the power component to this reminded me of donald trump's tweet to kim jong-un that his button was bigger than his and this is ...

It had something to do with adoptions and clearly it was erroneous. >> there is no doubt about it. and you also have the president's son, with his very famous statement and something like bring it on or something like that. no, they knew exactly what they were looking for. they were looking for some dirt on hillary and the russians who were offering it. there is no doubt that. whether -- now the question arises, was there effort to derail, to misdirect the investigation, was that obstruction? that is what mueller will be looking at. >> congressman garamendi. thanks for joining us. >> glad to b...

Not unheard of that president trump does -- doesn't stick to script. >> i remember, by the way, when ken starr, the independent counsel at the time, wanted to question bill clinton. they did it for four hours. >> yeah. >> he was at the white house. they let him do it at the white house out of respect for the president, but there was a video link to the grand jury that listened to the q&a. >> to add to dana's point, unless he is sort of compelled to do so, i would be skeptical because look at -- what do we know about his psyche as it relates to this investigation? if you judge by every public s...