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Two constituencies here. there's the constituencies of the donors who are clearly infuriated. but they're not the ones who actually institutionally control his fate. the people that control his fate are the members of the republican national committee made up of the county chairs, the ones that elected him. and to get rid of him, you'd have to get two-thirds of those people to vote him out. i think michael steele understands basically he's bullet proof. i think actually, from the sort of first person perspective of michael steele, if he's smart, he'll just hang on. >> but doesn't it matter who...

Do? >> i don't know what the facts are. maybe someone in the newsroom at the "new york times" knows what the facts are. i don't know what they are and it's very hard to know. i think what you saw there yesterday, and i'm not sure, you know, in a box is the best sound bite, but i think there you're saying he's trying to accentuate the leverage that he has and says, you know what, i'm not going any place. i think the only thing you can do in a situation like that where you don't know exactly what the facts are is try to change the way you're judged and i think what you'll see from him, if he's s...

Where is mike pence? >> if he's smart, he is staying very low below the radar. >> hiding under a rock. >> let me say this, there are a couple of people, people are asking where are they, we haven't seen kelly and or heard from kellyann conway. there there are a lot of names being floated about, but you don't hear kellyanne conway or vice president pence. you stay below the radar because you done want to be brought into this. this is getting bigger by the day. and typically it would not be but they are giving this life by fighting with steve bannon and calling him names hanak knowledging some t...

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