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That's when we lose our credit standing in the world. i would say if they meet today, the president, if he's smart, will say it's got to be about the debt too. i'm not making a short-term deal over the cr. we got to make it the big one that saves this country's credibility. >> well, and it's no accident the president met with some of these wall street executives today. they're coming out and saying, this is serious. so he's getting -- trying to get wall street to weigh in on it, which has some influence on republicans. >> i'm just hoping this book -- i hope people read it because it shows the ...

>> we're talking about laying groundwork here. we're talking about quietly working those relationships. not so quietly working relationships that helped get tim elected twice. >> let me put this this way. when you're talking two years out and a field that has not come to bear in terms of who may be running, hillary is going to be, if she decides to run, is going to be a reformed little opponent. i think the groundwork is being built without them necessarily building it. but, yeah, there's going to be an added benefit them going around the country and making these political contacts. there's no...

That bans the use of weapons such as this sort. >> that's a fogood argument, iny view, but it doesn't have a follow-on. say we go ahead and launch cruise missiles, make precision strikes, even take out air defense assets, maybe do it over a series of days with multicarrier battle group operations and so forth. let's say we do that and assad, if he's smart, says, so what? what do we do next? how to we carry on. >> those are some of the questions that have haunted us since iraq. of course, colonel wilkerson. thanks so much for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> we now are joined by congressw...

Law enforcement. a gun trafficking bill is tougher law enforcement. it's federal penalties for straw purchasers. it's exactly what we need. where are they now? they're frauds. pat toomey if he's smart, i still believe he is, chris, he's going to look and say, people of pennsylvania, even nra members, are for background checks. why would he take the risk? >> where's the club for growth? >> the club for growth is out of this issue. i think it's out of this issue. >> i hope so. let me go to something the public seems to agree on. mr. cummings, you've taken a moderate approach to this, center left...

Lehrer. >> if he's smart. if he's smart, he'll stay away. you know, you should go fishing, jim. >> jim's out with a new book that i feel could be about the show, "tension city: inside the presidential debates." very good to have you on board this morning. >> mika, i'm delighted to be here again. >> so i hope you've stayed off the internet over the past week or so. there's some crazy people out there, jim. >> i've heard about them. i decided to stay -- >> you don't tweet? >> yes. let's just say i heard about them. a few other things that have seeped through. it's nuts. >> it is nuts. mike, what...