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To do that, do something like that. >> could be brilliant. as we look at this, to howard's point. three things that joe biden is not. he's not young. he is not a person of color. he is not a woman. why should that part of the ticket if so important, why should that be the vice presidential slot? why not at the top? >> look, stacey abrams i think would make a great presidential candidate. i certainly hope she's given it consideration and i completely agree with the governor. she'd be an outstanding choice if that's the choice the vice president makes. look, you know, i think it's really what yo...

And josh barrow, it's unclear if we were to look at what happened on the first democratic debate where all the polling was showing that was a hillary win in that debate, it's unclear what bernie sanders now does to close that gap. >> this is the situation that makes sense. the situation that was weird when it looked like bernie sanders was giving hillary a run for the nomination. there's no reason democrating shouldn't nominate hillary clinton. the democratic party, unlike the republican party is pretty ideologically aligned with itself. hillary clinton, like barack obama, like joe biden, is b...

And it's because rockefeller was the principle opponent, have they ever been successful. >> everyone, the left is doing it, and some people on the right are doing it, too. they're talking, and i actually bought into this for a while, there's a split between the republican party in the far right and the center right, and rand paul points this out. he says it's less of that than a bunch of individuals who are not all right, far right, or centrist right. they have their own ideology. it's not two factions of the republican party. it's like 15 legitimate candidates that any one of them if the whol...

Can use the word prohibitive with as a lead. bernie sanders, 33%. and josh barrow, it's unclear if we were to look at what happened on the first democratic debate where all the polling was showing that was a hillary win in that debate, it's unclear what bernie sanders now does to close that gap. >> this is the situation that makes sense. the situation that was weird when it looked like bernie sanders was giving hillary a run for the nomination. there's no reason democrating shouldn't nominate hillary clinton. the democratic party, unlike the republican party is pretty ideologically aligned wit...