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There's any way to go after amazon with antitrust or competition law. trump's wealthy friends reportedly telling him amazon is destroying their businesses by killing off shopping malls and brick and mortar retailers. joining me now, msnbc anchor and correspondent david gera. back with me, michael steele. david, let's start with these comments by the president. this tweet. he says amazon pays little or no taxes, state and local governments, a loss for the u.s. postal system. give us a reality check. >> twitter isn't the best medium for nuance but let's take you through these claims. the present...

Amazon, to david's point is trying to be a good corporate citizen as best it can. think about it. they don't manufacture the products they sell. so the whole idea of the taxes. they're just moving the supply chain. >> you could also -- you could also make the argument they've gotten people to buy a lot of things they wouldn't have otherwise because it is so easy to click. not that i know anything about that. >> it's the future. it's the future of how we shop. we don't go out of our homes when we don't have to. we can click online and get it. >> we also buy things we would not have bought -- >>...

Was interesting from the oxios report. to your point, president trump told axios last year he doesn't mind facebook because it helps him read his audience. he's an old school business man who sees the world in tangible assets, real estate, physical mail delivery, main street, grocery stores. amazon takes direct aim at some of the core components of midcentury business. he's a 71-year-old guy. >> that's right. >> they're saying who's stuck in the ways of -- >> stuck in 1950s america where you just kind of got up and went down to the corner market or went to the local store. that's just not the ...

About 4%. to your point, michael, what's unique about this, if i can use that word, it's rare to have a president going after a company directly by name. antitrust laws what can he do. it is strange or uncharted territory for a president -- for a world leader to be signaling out a company like this. >> what sanders said is he's not pushing forward any specific ideas about what to do about amazon or any specific policies. here's what she said. >> i've heard the president talk repeat ledly about making busins practices in this country level. i've heard him talk about it privately and publicly. i...