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And it would take the ballot outcome of the 2020 election and put that outcome on the ballot for the people of arizona to vote on. whether they still felt that way or not. it would, if they voted against that election and it could be thrown out. that was the essence of this bill. and i, said i am not going to hear that. well, let's just say i won't hear that bill. and mr. epstein was trying to get convince me that was a good bill and that i should do it. and we had a sort of, he had five or six shots at trying to find a pivot that he could get me to accept, that it was a good idea. none of the...

Pressuring you? >> him being epstein, never threatened me in the least. i asked him, what about, this what about that? i finally said, i should've seen, were -- i'm not gonna do this. i'm not going to. -- i can promise that proof going on two years now. he suddenly have it? he said, yeah, i got it. we can give it to you. i said, well you put that up on my desk the next three days, that would be an interesting piece of pile to see. make sure that it is what i ask for? -- i told you what i got was, you know, some committee testimony from congress. a term paper, a couple of letters. and a bunch o...

Cheeseborough, any of these other attorneys that we know had been focused of jack smith? something is been looking into? >> mr. eastman. >> john eastman. >> was, that's what we mentioned specifically. i don't know if mr. epstein is an attorney, but he also called, and i believe we discussed his phone call which later. >> can you refresh our memory on the call? because you are talking about boris epshteyn, who is someone who is still often seen with trump. he was in court with trump in new york when you got indicted here at manhattan. what was, can you remind us the nature of that call that he ...

Arizona to vote on, whether they still felt that way or not. it would -- if they voted against that election, then it would be thrown out. that was the essence of this bill, and i said i'm not going to hear that. well, let's just say i won't hear that bill, and mr. epstein was trying to get -- convince me that that was a good bill and i should do it, and we had a -- you know, he had five or six shots at trying to find a pivot that he could get me to accept that it was a good idea. none of them were good ideas, and i wouldn't do it. but that was our conversation was just to support the fincham ...