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Chuck schumer shut down, the democrats suffered. the president rose in the polls and american people said we don't want the government shut down. i think it's a mistake for the president to do that again this time. he has -- he is on a good move right now. but he keeps getting in front of him sflt and calling for a shutdown that he criticized two weeks ago is not going to advance his cause. >> martha: karl rove, always good to see you, carl. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> martha: remember when the g.o.p. was ridiculed for having such a crowded presidential field there were 17 of them. remembe...

Than when you have someone like trump who lies in a way we've never seen a president of the united states lie routinely. make things up out of whole cloth. have a press secretary who himself invents things or goes along with the crazy inventions of the president. very different. >> lying about the lies that they lied about is how the saying goes. john, carl talked about roger stone. president trump's association with these men. connections with russia. manafort, flynn, roger stone, all denied any collusion but how problematic is this now? >> stone has slowly backed off from some of his denials...

Previous week's game. and then he was self-medicating obviously, you know, when you do that, you put yourself in a mental state that you are really not controlled up. left of center there was reports he was out grinking and partying so grunk had you to live in his car the night before he went home and his gill friend and ultimate live shot him sflt. it can't be wrapped up in this is what happened. >> would you lead your child play. i was with myer kids when junior assad my boys asked me why did he do that? i said said when you play the game of football you are us is accept cybil to concussion....

Previous week's game. and then he was self-medicating obviously, you know, when you do that, you put yourself in a mental state that you are really not controlled up. left of center there was reports he was out grinking and partying so grunk had you to live in his car the night before he went home and shot his gill friend and ultimate live shot him sflt. it can't be wrapped up in this is what happened. >> would you lead your child play. i was with myer kids when junior assad my boys asked me why did he do that? i said said when you play the game of football you are us is accept cybil to concus...