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Issues he is talking about, he is getting a hard time about. those are issues, think about what george w. bush ran in 1999, immigration reform. compassion conservatives. >> george w. >> he's right wing. no, george bush has gun control, for instance, he's supported background checks, assault weapon ban, locks on guns and like the fingerprint shuf. i don't know the technology but you can go one issue on another on immigration. it was george w. bush and karl rove in 19 fine and they were both saying it to me and a lot of people, guys, we get ahead. if 1999 we get ahead on the hispanic issue. we s...

Modest backgrounds, then what are we bussing to? you have to ask that question. at the same time, i'm really troubled by the fact that if we don't have good quality of schools throughout the district. you're going have a problem. >> because the challenge is that the only reason that there's this connection between residential location and school quality is because we base id on the value of homes, real estate taxes, rather than on sort of a basic fairness issue. >> right. if we can take this a step back, i'm a historical, so i always like to take the long view with these things. we now talk ab...

Election reform. >> barbara, before we go, i wanted to show you map of shame. >> yes, yes. >> which is where these voter i.d. laws are. i've got to tell you i've learned something about my own state on this map of shame. on this map you have the red which are restrictive states where government-issued photo i.d. is required. the blue states which is the confusion states where photo i.d. is requested but not required. and orange where i.d. is required. photo or nonphoto i.d. accepted. when we come back, we want to talk about a very specific issue. fast food, big sales, and voter suppression, th...

The integration as a social and educational policy, we thought about it as something to enrich and enlivenen our democracy, right? so that's a big question. when we start going back to neighborhood schools we're talking about segregation as well because we're so residentially segregated. that's a really big issue. the second point is if we want to talk about integrating schools, we have to integrate them more deeply. and i think, kim, when you were talking earlier about being bussed to the school where the quality wasn't still as great, i hear about kids being bussed but then they're segregate...

Likely to vote for re-election or less likely? >> unlike at a previous time, you geefrt the debates going on. people might go out after the first debate and cast their vote, second debate. is this to, in part, rile up the partisans so they're like, okay, we're back in it, e i'm going to cast my vote today in iowa or ohio? >> listen. i was saying before the debate, i was nervous about joe biden. i was saying that i hoped that the democrats would send mariano rivera out and i think joe biden did exactly what he needed to do. for democrats thinking. he went out and literally gave them kind of a l...