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You described, there would have to be some sort of accommodation, there would have to be some sort of negotiation with a media outlet or a reporter before a reporter was surveilled in this way as part of a leak investigation, i've got -- my control room needs to stop talking in my ear for a second. thank you very much. sorry, matt. i had two people talking to me at the same time i was trying to talk to you. at the same time as holder -- if holder put in those rules, obviously we have a different attorney general now. if this was done in violation of d.o.j. policies, if this "new york times" re...

New regulations put in place so that reporters would be protected from sbrusive severance basically as a way of proelting the freedom of the press. base country you described some sort of accommodation, negotiation with the media outlet or a reporter before a reporter was surveilled in this way as part of -- as part of -- as part of a leak investigation. i've got -- my control room needs to stop talking in my ear a second. thank you. sorry matt i had two people talking to me at the same time. i was troo trying to talk to you. at the same time as holder -- if holder put in the rules obviously w...

Was incorrect and he also says that it violates rules. one being, you don't talk about an ongoing investigation and the second one that holder put in place himself, which was not to take unnecessary action very close to an election. is this unnecessary? that is really something we don't know. a lot of unanswered questions. >> all right, thank you very much. let's bring back the panel. evan perez and washington bureau chief, jackie kucinich and alex burns and "washington post" reporter abby philip. evan, as the justice reporter for us here, everybody says who knows anything about the situatio...