There can be a very, very high price to pay later on. >> well, that's -- that's kind of the -- you just boiled down in a nutshell almost every single cable news, diner, dinner, thanksgiving, holiday conversation. at what cost? the economy's great. at what cost? well, i got a supreme court nominee. at what cost? so you just boiled that down. at what cost? when you said three pillars of our government, termites are eating them and the institutions are being dragged down. at what cost, alice? >> well, look, the economy is doing great. and look, the unemployment rate is at a record low number. and...