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Investigation, political and legal, it's just, i think, a safer proposition to do that. maybe more expensive, but it's probably safer. >> and if mueller then concludes that president trump's actions do amount to abuse of power of some kind, which we talked about last hour, which do you think of the president's actions would have brought him to this conclusion or that finding? >> so let's assume that he doesn't testify under oath or if he does testify under oath he testifies 100% truthfully. because if he testifies under oath and lies, that will be the biggest problem that he has. if he testifi...

Of north carolina saying in his state trees are down, debris scattered. concerns about power outages. some 19,000 people still indicating to people altogether you can go to the beaches to be cautious and listen to authorities when getting into the water, if at all. in new orleans, the 20th annual essence fest in swing. promising to be big and better. prince will be performing tonight. attendees can join the growing hope conversation and share their hopes for changes in our community. chris witherspoon is the entertainment editor. he's been there and following the story. you're in new orleans...

Roots. i will also be part of the festivities with members of the msnbc family. they can join the growing hope conversation and share your hope for change in our communities. joining me, the grio.com editor chris witherspoon who will be at the festival and also wrote about my natural hair on the grio. the essence festival. why is this so popular? >> it started out fairly small and now it's getting bigger and bigger. it's now the largest live event in the country. it's amazing. 543,000 attendees as you said. this year will be bigger than ever. 80 performers, 20 stages. you have prince coming he...