Saying dad, please come home. how -- with the temperature of the waters the weather conditions the type of water there, how deep it is the waves and all that how -- should families be holding out hope? how much hope should they be holding out? >> hope is what -- hope is hope. so yes, i would imagine they should hold out some. but as days progress exposure in the oceans is just really tough on bodies. they just don't -- they can't survive in the open ocean. but that being said this -- the miracle on the hudson you know those are all things that hold hope out in people's minds, and you can't tel...