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The Katie Phang Show

>> families whose lose the support of sending students to college, and communities will lose role models. people that can show us that we can exist in spaces that were meant to keep us out. >> those were students reacting to the supreme court's landmark decision that effectively puts a end to affirmative action and public and private colleges. and the ruling is already having a domino effect. historically black colleges and universities are bracing for a influx of applicants as the changing landscape of college admissions takes shape. joining me now is dr. wayne -- wayne a. i. frederick the 70 president of howard university. he's also a president of surgery at howard university's college of medicine. dr. frederik, at the mountains have you on the show. out of the gate, i want to get your initial reaction to the supreme court's affirmative action ruling. >> very disappointing. i think it's going to devastate the opportunities for minority populations and more importantly it is going to hurt the pipeline for well

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The Katie Phang Show

>> and that is going to mean years of litigation, expenses that are unnecessary for universities and colleges they could be used for other things in the budget. kind of staying on this point, dr. frederik, do you think that universities are actually going to abandon standardized testing scores, which are also historically being overvalued but not actually accounting for the under service of certain types of minorities and communities, and maybe the scene of her cities and colleges are now going to focus more on personal essays which you speak up, which are going to be time consuming and maybe wasting very valuable real estate in these essays to be able to explain things that they should not have to explain in terms of their backgrounds. >> yes. i think that is one area that we are going to have a challenge. the other areas that you see it with state is a two shuns. state institutions that are chronically underfunded, so major flagship state institutions that are chronically underfunded who taken other state students to bring it more refugees, because

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The Katie Phang Show

that deficiency in numbers. iency in numbe rsso as a university president, howard colleges and universities going to rework their admissions policies to be in compliance with this ruling but still be able to achieve the kind of diverse campus communities that we need. >> it's actually going to be very difficult, because if you cannot use race, to have a student is asa two explain as justice roberts points out in his opinion, explain how race has impacted them, i actually think that in of itself is -- because you are asking the students to defend the existence of racism that they have experienced when they should be talking about the excellence that they have achieved in the aspirations that they have and coming to college. and so you're actually putting an undue belief on the students. i think it's going to be very difficult, and i think every time that we come up with a methodology to do it, it will be challenged with a lawsuit, and i think that's unfortunate.

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