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Pizazz plus substance. pizazz and substance. >> no, -- very short supply ove on the sane wing of the party there. >> yeah, i know. >> the mitch daniels and the pawlenties and all. >> howard, great to have you. ron, take care. a top nuclear scientist says the crisis in japan is a reminder that here in the united states the nuclear industry has been taken over while the agency is supposed to be regulating the nuclear industry has been taken over by the industry. that's not a good sign with the foxes guarding the hen house on something that we're looking at right now, nuclear power. we'll be ba...

That's a question, howard, as a journalist, do you have a sense they're looking at this field as sort of the spring list. but there's going to be a fall list. >> yeah, i think that's possible. and i think fred barnes is as good an authority on what is acceptable within the conservative, you know, establishment mainstream as there is. and fred doesn't like what he sees so far and he wants to look for other players later on. you know, the conservators are going to have to look for somebody they can sell to those independent voters as you were saying, chris, and as ron was saying. and a lot of th...

He is right now, they have to have that meeting -- the white boys club or whatever they call those governors that meets somewhere in birmingham. and don't they, howard, they're going to have one of those meetings in the men's room and pick another candidate. >> well, i wouldn't call the organization that, exactly. >> what would you call it? >> well -- what passes for the leadership of the party. somebody like haley barber is making the calculation that he -- even though he's the southern good ol'boy character can come off in this environment. that's haley's play, yeah, i've got my infirmities,...

Evangelical christians. and she is with them point by point by point by point. she could make a big play in iowa whether we, you know, inside the beltway take her seriously or not. >> you know, i think, ron, just in terms of television values. if you get four stiff guys up there, boring-looking guys. they'll either be looking at he themselves because of some sort of, i don't know, misery loving, or they'll look at her because she might say something really wild. she will be the wild cannon out there, seems to me. >> yeah, and if you're a democrat or someone who supports the democratic party, y...