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Early evidence to suggest that he did. >> for christianity, peter's presence in rome is ultimately not very important. what is important for christianity is that the message of jesus did get to rome, to the heart of the empire and from there went out to the world. >> peter's a key figure that lots of people love. he links jesus with the mission of the early church, so he's that key figure in that sense, but he's also a very human character that we can all relate to. he has his failings. he's overenthusiastic at times. he keeps getting things wrong, but ultimately he pulls through. >> the quest...

Different person. >> marianne: he's a totally different person. my point is that this criticism is not based on his politics. this is based on the way he speaks about fellow americans. absolutely, i believe that he has fanned the flames on some of the worst aspects of the human character. >> martha: okay. i think that the supporters of the president would say that he is not as elegant in his speech as some of the people that you mentioned. but his motivation has been pretty clear in terms of wanting to make the border a place where you can come through legally, but not illegally. here's what h...

Collectivized hatred, as you put it? >> well, we have a very serious problem on our hands. you take racism and bigotry and anti-semitism and homophobia, xenophobia, islamophobia, all those worst aspects of human character, you put them all together in a collective field, you put them all over the social media, and then you have a president of the united states who is not above harnessing all those things for political purposes, you have a problem on your hands. and that problem cannot be defined in strictly political terms. this man, our president, is not just a politician. he's a phenomenon. ...

Last night where you talked beyond just what many democrats see as the crisis of trumpism and about what's really going on. take a look. >> racism bigotry and the entire conversation that we're having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psych source of the collecty advise the hatred this president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid the democrats are going to see very dark days. eswe need to say it like it is, it's bigger than plint. it's all over the country. it's particularly people who do not have the money to fight back. if the democ...

Continuing to do. racism, bigotry, homophobia, anti-semitism, although he covers it with pro-israel stuff, xenophobia. he taps into the worst aspects of the human character. this is what authoritarian, fascist dictators do. >> senator sanders is calling for a revolution, getting young people involved, getting people involved in the process. you're calling for a moral uprising? >> i think we need both. i agree with most of the political plans of people such as senator sanders and senator warren are ren, we need both. >> what does a moral uprising look like? >> that you realize how much of our p...