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Democratic transition, and one looks like that that takes you to pakistan, somalia transition. it's going to be unstable. okay? but we want it to go like that. the potential is there. >> we bought into the promise of stability but it was a false stability. it was a stability built on nothing. >> it was the stability of -- >> of total repression. >> repression and stagnation. you were in cairo. i was in cairo. 40% of women in egypt are illiterate. that's stable. where's that going to take you? it was completely phony. it was going to blow up. you know, there's a concept in climate science. they...

It was going to blow up. you know, there's a concept in climate science. they used to say we have exactly enough time starting now when it comes to dealing with climate change. i feel that way about democracy in the arab world. it's going to be unstable but it's good to start now because they were on the road i think to a real human development disaster. and i think we have a chance now. but ultimately it's up to them. they've got to make it happen. we cannot do it for them. >> you've got a new book coming out in the fall. >> a new book coming in the fall it's called "that used to be us." i'm ...