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Call. a lot of cyber crime is exploring human information. you shouldn't open e-mails and unverify final attacks. this is really important, this is how companies like microsoft try to stay ahead of the bad actors. it's important if your a company or individual to take these thing soaresly. >> thank for that good reminder to all of us. still ahead, a parading podium. ye you're here in the cnn newsroom. can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company.

It will say capture or kill. we want to sit down and interview these people. once we kill them, we lose it and we hope they don't, but unfortunately, if they pick up a welcome and become a threat they killed just like uday and kusay did when delta got them in the early days of iraq. >> you think it's important that the u.s. has the wife of this leader in custody. why is that significant? do we know if she had an operational role or how much intelligence she may have had access too in. >> a degree with colonel reese's point that capturing is vitally important. you have access to the human infor...

Kusay did when delta got them in the early days of iraq. >> you think it's important that the u.s. has the wife of this leader in custody. why is that significant? do we know if she had an operational role or how much intelligence she may have had access to? >> well i agree with colonel reese's point that capturing is vitally important, because then you have access to the human information, even if i, at a far distance now, don't know exactly the nature of it. human beings are an amazing source of information. and in addition to the wife we apparently also have a yazidi woman, who was kept as ...

Joining us is general ray ordierno, chief of staff. i had it wrong on the tease. first off, the nsa has a bit of -- has it been of benefit to you in the field? >> of course. when i was in iraq and in afghanistan, the work that they do is immeasureable in getting us intelligence in helping us do the things we need to do to get after our enemies. >> brian: i was amazed to find out that five years ago, we couldn't dream about having the technical ability we have today in terms of storage and access. did you see it grow when you were in the field? >> oh, yeah, sure. this capacity has continued to ...

Libya to do all of that intelligence work, colonel? or are we sending drones, are we sending spies to gather information ourselves? >> well, we do. we have drones in the air. we can listen to telephone conversations, monitor conversations, and all that. but in the end it's really important that the only thing we're going to get that's really useful is human intelligence. that requires people on the ground, which we have there and we're going to send more of, but it also requires that these people on the ground have contacts inside libya and we don't have that quality of information, human info...