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But, mr grozev, you also at different times over the last few months have also said that you do have deep sources inside the russian security services. so i'm a little confused. are you using human intel or not? human intel is very useful as a follow—up to provide context, to provide colour for this puzzle. because the puzzle, you're building based on data bits and pieces. then sometimes you don't understand why something happens and then it's very useful to rely on sources that you can trust, but i would never start an investigation based on a tip from a source, just because of the bias of ...

Is you rely so heavily on the deepest of deep dives into the electronic trails and the data trails. are you of a mind to say that today, when so many of us are sceptical about so much information we receive because it cannot always verify it, are you saying you believe in data more than human intel? human intelligence? do you think the data dominates all now? well, i think data should be taken seriously and it wasn't always taken seriously byjournalism as a profession. i think there is room for traditional journalism which is source—based but also room for independent database journalism. wh...

Right, right but, mr grozev, you have said at times over recent months that you have deep sources inside the russian security services. so, i am a little confused. are you using human intel or not? human intel is very useful as a follow up to provide context, to provide colour for this puzzle because the puzzle, you are building up based on data, bits and pieces, and then sometimes you don't understand why something happens and then it is very useful to rely on sources that you can trust. but i would never start an investigation based on a tip from a source just because of the bias of these so...

Disappear. >> yeah, no, absolutely. whether it's one or two and could be multiple suspects. who knows at this point and it's all about collection right now. they're looking at all that and the fbi is involved and forensic folks turning that world upside downright now and hopefully they have some answers but again, once somebody is identified and my former folks, u.s. marshals are not involved yet but once they get somebody on their radar, hopefully they bring them on board and they're the best in the business in finding people and are pretty good at it. you can run but you can't hide and when ...

Security secrets. things that, if revealed, would cause imminent and grave danger to our national security. what american isn't a little bit shook like that by that. but in addition to that, these materials were expected to put human intel sources, their lives, they're human welfare in danger if released. so, if this is just sitting on a carpet in mar-a-lago -- >> in a carton. the former president seems very -- on the carpet, he had them in the carton, never mind that that carton was in his shoe closet. whatever. >> whatever. >> nonetheless -- >> but in the white house, there is a security off...