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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 03:41:00

Deep sources inside the russian security services. so, i am a little confused. are you using human intel or not? human intel is very useful as a follow up to provide context, to provide colour for this puzzle because the puzzle, you are building up based on data, bits and pieces, and then sometimes you don t understand why something happens and then it is very useful to rely on sources that you can trust. but i would never start an investigation based on a tip from a source just because of the bias of these sources. to be clear, do you, right now as we speak to each other, have several sources, for example, inside the fsb, maybe inside the wagner private military corporation who you are talking to about what is happening on the ground? i have been open on social media that i do have sources within wagner and this is a result of previous investigations, where we did ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 03:40:00

Are you of a mind to say that today, when so many of us are sceptical about so much information we receive because it cannot always verify it, are you saying you believe in data more than human intel? human intelligence? do you think the data dominates all now? well, i think data should be taken seriously and it wasn t always taken seriously byjournalism as a profession. i think there is room for traditional journalism which is source based but also room for independent database journalism. what i like about data is that you do not have sources who have a bias, or who have may be a conspiratorial view of their surroundings. data cannot mislead you, well it can if you misinterpret it, but it cannot consciously lead you down a rabbit hole. right, right but, mr grozev, you have said at times over recent months that you have ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 22:40:00

Into the electronic trails and the data trails. are you of a mind to say that today, when so many of us are sceptical about so much information we receive, cos we can t always verify it, are you saying that you believe in data more than human intel, human intelligence? do you think that data dominates all now? well, i think data should be taken seriously and it wasn t always taken seriously byjournalism as a profession. and i think there s room for traditionaljournalism, which is source based, but there s room for independently data based journalism. what i like about data is that you don t have sources who have a bias or who have maybe a conspiratorial view of the surroundings that surround them. data cannot mislead you well, it can mislead you if you misinterpret it, but it cannot consciously lead you down a rabbit hole. right. ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 22:41:00

But, mr grozev, you also at different times over the last few months have also said that you do have deep sources inside the russian security services. so i m a little confused. are you using human intel or not? human intel is very useful as a follow up to provide context, to provide colour for this puzzle. because the puzzle, you re building based on data bits and pieces. then sometimes you don t understand why something happens and then it s very useful to rely on sources that you can trust, but i would never start an investigation based on a tip from a source, just because of the bias of these sources. to be clear, do you, right now as we speak to each other, do you have several sources, for example, inside the fsb, maybe within the wagner private military cooperation, whom you are talking to about what is happening on the ground? i ve been open on social media that i do have sources within wagner and this is the result of previous investigations where we did contact ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 03:41:00

It can if you misinterpreted it, but it cannot consciously lead you down a rabbit whole. right, right, but also christo grozev you have said at times over recent months that you have deep sources inside the russian security services. i am a little confused. i.e. using human intelligence or not? human intel is a useful way of providing context for the puzzle because you are building the puzzle based on data, bits and pieces and then sometimes you don t understand why something happens and then it is very useful to rely on forces that you can trust. but i would never start an investigation based on a tip from a source just because of the biased. from a source ust because of the biased. the biased. typically, do you ritht the biased. typically, do you right now the biased. typically, do you right now as the biased. typically, do you right now as we the biased. typically, do you right now as we speak - the biased. typically, do you right now as we speak to - the biased. typically, ....

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