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Something really good is going to come from it. that's what i think. something wonderful will come from it, because human beings are capable of coming together and producing wonders out of advers adversity. >> and do you think art has a role in steering us towards that higher ground? >> without a doubt. i think the artists are the headlights of society. the job of film and theater and literature is to shine light on what -- what is the con item rare human issue. what is coming forward? the headlights are so we can see and can help us. >> so, if a young francis ford coppola would be making a mo...

Abortion illegal. my guest today is marjorie dannenfelser. group like hers are savouring a big victory. could it yet turn sour? marjorie dannenfelser in washington, dc, welcome to hardtalk. thank you so much, stephen. let me start with the human and healthcare aspects of this recent supreme court ruling. is there any reason to believe there will be fewer abortions in the united states because of the decision the supreme court came up with? i'm glad you begin there, because it's a fully human issue. so far, we know there will be

Worth it? if it was their family member, in their community, someone they knew, their friend, it would then hit them. until it hits you and until it lives in your soul, in your community, you see how your communities changed forever, i don't think you can understand. i asked that when people think about uvalde today, think about uvalde in six years. think about those families in six years like our families today. i think it's important that we think about people coming together thinking about this as a human issue things have to change something has to change! it is multipronged, right? it's a...

Has been 41 -- yes, 41 mass shootings since the massacre in uvalde less than three weeks ago. what is your message to american lawmakers as they continue to try to do something about gun violence in this country? >> gun violence is a form of hay. we talk about hate everything all day. whether it walks down the street, whether it shoots guns, whether drops planes into buildings blow the buildings. it comes in many forms, it comes to rhetoric, as well. what i would say is i think this is a human issue. i think that for both sides of the aisle, you need to set aside the politics of this and think...

This is a human issue. we need to come together to listen to the voices of our community, because they want reforms. >> so, representative, i just want to be clear on what you are saying. you actually have more hope today in congress in the u.s. congress, which has been paralyzed for years, which did nothing after sandy hook than in the texas state legislature after all the carnage that you just laid out. you guys are not having conversations yet about what to do now? >> no, being very, very clear. that is not what i am saying. but if you look the all the obstruction that's happening in washin...